Surfinglizard 11:10 Wed Jan 18
Antonio Comments to the BBC today - it ain't working
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64325548
Interested to know what you think of this
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Surfinglizard
11:11 Wed Jan 18
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Antonio says their recent struggles are a consequence of the past two seasons.
"I feel what we've done over the last two years we've thought, 'let's not get complacent, let's get our 40 points'. This year, at the beginning of the season, we were like, 'we were so close to the Champions League last year. We want the Champions League'," said the 32-year-old on BBC Sport's The Footballer's Football Podcast alongside Newcastle's Callum Wilson.
"We were jumping steps. We tried to change our philosophy. You can see, this season, we haven't played the same way we've been playing the last two years. We've changed it slightly. We've brought in players to play through the thirds."
West Ham finished sixth in 2020-21 - two points off the top four - to qualify for the Europa League, and ended last season seventh to make the Europa Conference League.
They reached the Europa League semi-finals last season, losing to eventual winners Eintracht Frankfurt.
Antonio added: "Over the last couple of years we've not really played much possession football. We kind of sat off teams and just countered. Because we've been up there in the top six, everyone up there plays possession football. They keep the ball, try to break teams down and score more free-flowing goals.
"Teams are countering us the way we would have countered them. It's a transition. We're trying to transition to become a bigger team and, I've got to be honest, it ain't working."
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Surfinglizard
11:15 Wed Jan 18
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Will probably be dropped Saturday so we won't have him nor Scammaca (sick note!) :(
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Takashi Miike
11:15 Wed Jan 18
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he said months ago on his podcast with wilson that moyes sets them up every game to defend first, and only chase the game in the last ten to fifteen minutes. It's a terrible approach yet our owner seems to think it's the future
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11:18 Wed Jan 18
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He is not wrong is he, If the problem is we are trying to play out from the back. Then Moyles needs to abandon this plan and go back to what works.
I can't believe that the players that were there last season have suddenly turned to shit.
I do feel there is something going on behind the scenes, Why did Pearce and co leave ?
The last time I can remember us playing exciting football was when Moyles was off with Covid
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solidbond
11:25 Wed Jan 18
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The geezers a fucking idiot ,slightest bit of competition this season from scamacca and he spit’s his dummy out,need to sign another striker cos this cunt will be sulking all season
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Jasnik
11:32 Wed Jan 18
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I don't think he is right it more we have been found out as we keep doing the same thing as the last two season and other teams know what we are trying so stop it now.
So we tried to change what we do and we can't pass to each other.
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Charoo
11:35 Wed Jan 18
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Man’s an idiot. All you need to know about Antonio is him lifting a cardboard cut out of himself vs Leicester after his goal.
Or crashing his car dressed as a snowman.
Or not running the ball into the corner at Palace away.
Or ……
Was ok until he started believing his own hype, get shot asap.
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Pedro
11:39 Wed Jan 18
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I don’t agree with antonio.
We haven’t really changed.
Teams have changed their approach against us.
They don’t press high as they know we will counter.
When they do we have lacked pace up top.
When teams sit back we we struggle to break down.
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Matthew Holmes
12:09 Thu Jan 19
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If he's right that we're trying to play through the thirds and we bought players to play out more, then it explains why Soucek looks shot. But are we dong that? Really ?
If.thats the plan then Moyes and team obviously cannot coach it.
We look as shit as Palace under de Boer. He lasted 4 games I think?
What's next?
Revert to type to save season. BfS?
Or risk a forward looking manager?
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onsideman
12:24 Thu Jan 19
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Its fucking simple
Him, Cresswell, Coufal, Soucek, Bowen and Dawson were playing out of their skin. They've now all turned to shit and we didn't recruit ANYONE to supplement or replace them.
Trying to change into a big team my arse
Easiest team in the division to defend against.
Watched a bit of Palace tonight... they've had their problems recently but at least they play with energy. speed and flair. Likewise Leeds
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Sir Alf
2:11 Thu Jan 19
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He’s honest it ain’t working but he lack of technique is why it ain’t working.
Moyes via Nevin is the root cause. Not the brightest 2 individuals to have managing the team Imo
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Westham67
2:36 Thu Jan 19
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He is sulking and wants a move fuck him off and play Bowen up front with Scamacca AS IF
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Sir Alf
2:41 Thu Jan 19
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Antonio’s finished at the top level of the game. He was always “punching”’but Moyes converting him into a striker went to his head.
The blokes living in cuckoo land.
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Texas Iron
3:40 Thu Jan 19
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He didn’t write it
Too many big words…
🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Stevethehammer
9:17 Thu Jan 19
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Well, he is right
It aint working
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BRANDED
10:13 Thu Jan 19
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We’re bottom. Of course its not fucking working.
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Far Cough
10:17 Thu Jan 19
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. . 11:18 Wed Jan 18
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The last time I can remember us playing exciting football was when Moyles was off with Covid
I believe that also
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threesixty
12:02 Thu Jan 19
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I don’t really agree with Antonio here. And to be honest, I think it’s easier to asses from the outside what the problem is than from where he is because he is part of the problem. So he will have an inherent bias.
I don’t see a change in formation at all over the last 2 years. He may have brought in players that are used to or need possession but he’s put them in to exactly the same formation.
So I don’t understand how you can want to move to a possession based game if your formation is still set up for counter attacking teams!
If we were playing possession based football we would be losing by more goals because we would require less defensive positions and want our players to push up and overload the opposition. But we don’t really do that.
The issue to me is that we are stuck in no man’s land. Moyes talks about expansive football but just wants to defend all day and he can’t get it out of his system. Yes, the games are tight in terms of goals against us. But at the expense of scoring because we just don’t commit players properly in the final third.
On top of that he’d need to sacrifice Soucek to make any possession based football work because soucek is not very good on the ball. Also Antonio isn’t that great on the ball either so he would lose out here.
none of it makes sense.
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Eerie Descent
1:08 Thu Jan 19
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Not the sharpest tool in the box, is he.
He's done well for us, mostly given his all, but I cannot wait till he's no longer at the club. Such a poor technical footballer, and the amount of times he's had a pointless shot when he should have made an easy pass, I'll be glad to see the back of that.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:14 Thu Jan 19
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His comments, taken with the arrival of Ings, suggest he's on his way.
If so, he goes with my thanks and best wishes for the future. He's welcome back any time as far as I'm concerned. Let's not let the past year sour the recollection of the previous seven.
I don't know whether his comments are correct or not, but I suspect they are sincere and are aimed in the same direction as the fans aim their grievances.
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